#070 The Great Trek Debate
September 9, 2008
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- John - News Director
- Jeromy - Science Officer
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The Council of Great Relevance: The Great Trek Debate
Today we’re talking about Star Trek. Star Trek is the “Alpha Dog” of Science Fiction, or to put it in sports terms Randy can understand, the Dallas Cowboys of Science Fiction. Star Trek has a polarizing effect on geeks because you either love it or hate it. Tonight we’re bringing you a debate on whether or not Star Trek is good science fiction. Making the case for Star Trek is John. Making the case against Star Trek is Randy.
- On to the Debate. Our first question is for both sides: Star Trek is a science fiction television show, but how much is science fact, and does that really matter to the audience?
- What is the quality of Star Trek as a presentation? Take into consideration the entertainment value, writing, and acting.
- A case can certainly be made for the cultural impact of the show as well as a technological impact. What impact has Star Trek truly had on society?
- Lastly, how does Star Trek measure up to other fictional works set in space?
We have reached the end of our time for the evening. Both sides made compelling arguments but we’re leaving it up to you to determine the winner of the debate. You can leave us a message on the Temporal Temps hotline at 801-938-5525 or you can send email to thegeeks -=at =-scifisurplus.com.
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- Randy
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Great debate. I have been rewatching the Star Trek movies over the summer and had forgot how good they were.
While there is better sci-fi out there none have the viewing hours that Star Trek has so its bound to have some rubbish in there ie voyager (In all the years of Doctor Who some of it is not good. I like to think of Voyager as the Collin Baker years).
Not to sure about going back to Kirks time for the new film. I would rather see a DS9 crew or one set 50-100 years on from the Next Gen were they can explore new worlds with a new Enterprise.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Finally! A genuinely funny commercial! Johnson Rods! Haha! (I guess we’ve thrown the aforementioned “family friendly” format into the solar converters! Yeah baby yeah!) But … then you follow it up with a political skit lacking any humor whatsoever? There’s a clear desire to go into more formatted scriptwork, so why not do one show monthly directly to podcast that could be entirely an audio presentation? I think it’d be pretty damn cool!
Hey, hey, hey! LUV the debate format! Why not have a once-monthly ‘Council of Great Relevance’ debate? There’s SO MUCH in fandom that could work in this format, but I think you’d have to open it up to greater participants who actually might have greater expertise or understanding in other areas. Batman vs Superman … Marvel vs DC … Sci Fi Original Programming vs any other station’s original science fiction programming … Trek vs Star Wars … ET vs Species … Robocop vs WallE … Firefly vs anything vastly superior anyway … So much opportunity, and a great format worth listening to! The SFS League Smackdown … ha! This debate could’ve had some much better questions, though … why not ‘forum’ this kind of an idea in advance to get some input via groupthink? If we’re really plotting out these show themes in advance, wouldn’t it make sense to draw from a greater collective? Just a suggestion there …
September 10th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Great work on the debate format. I’m a lapsed Trekker and I agree with Randy’s opening statement. His criticism is an indictment against the sloppiness of later versions when compared to B5 or Firefly. He’s right that technobabble became unbearable starting with TNG.
John responded with a nice rebuttal about how Trek at least adhered to their own internal logic and physics.
The best point of the debate goes to John - Firefly, B5 and others would not exist if it weren’t for Trek.
I’m no longer devoted to Trek, but let’s see if the cult of Firefly is as fervent 30 years from now. Give the devil his due!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Great debate guys! Good format, master debaters;-), and good arguments. Too bad political debates don’t go this well. Going along with Edward Lee maybe there needs to be a forum of some sort. Perhaps a Galactic Hall style debate in which Casey can solicit questions from listeners then pick the ones he likes best and present these to the panel.
What no one ever mentions about Trek is that even though it’s all one “Trek” branded franchise, Star Trek died with Kirk in 1994. I read around that time in TV guide that Rick Berman had a bust of Roddenberry on his desk and he kept the eyes covered. Berman wanted to make Trek more “realistic” (a modern SCIFI term for darker and more violent) and we wanted to step away from the formula. What did that get us? DS9, Voyager, Enterprise some of the worst TV SciFi around. Oh yeah and that movie with F. Murray Abraham where Riker flew the Enterprise with a 70’s era Atari joystick.
It’s like when Coke became new coke. It sucked so bad coke had to go back to it’s original “classic” formula. Unfortunately, the half-wits at Paramount threw the classic Trek recipe away… and have no illusions JJ Abrams version is going to be that soft drink that has a container similar to Coke but just says “Cola”.
All that said, until Edward James Olmos or Nathan Fillion rocks it out with a Masterpiece as great as Common People they shall all be swept aside by the awesomeness that is the Shat!
September 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
with apologies to KG & JB.
Sung to “The Metal” by Tenacious D.
You can’t kill Star Trek
Star Trek will live on
Star Wars tried to kill Star Trek
But they failed, as they were smacked to the ground
B-5 tried to kill Star Trek
But they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground
Galactica tried to kill Star Trek Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
They failed, as they were thrown to the ground
No-one can destroy Star Trek
Star Trek will strike you down with a vicious blow
We are the vanquished foes of Star Trek
We tried to win for why we do not know
Stargate tried to destroy Star Trek, but Star Trek had its way
Firefly then tried to de-throne Star Trek, but Star Trek was in the way
Harry Potter tried to destroy Star Trek, but Star Trek was much too strong
Doctor Who tried to defile Star Trek, but Doctor Who was proven wrong
Yeah!
Star Trek
It’s come from hell!
September 13th, 2008 at 11:06 am
K-X lubricant…seriously? Dick jokes? What are you guys, 12 years old? What’s next, gas giant fart jokes? Have to say I am disappointed. Scifi has enough trouble being taken seriously as a genre. Using sophomoric humor doesn’t help.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:50 am
I agree with Patrick’s sentiments, but I still found the commercial genuinely funny. Yes, Science Fiction has plenty of reasons why it isn’t taken seriously, but I would imagine a 60 second bit on alternative media isn’t the least of which.
WARNING: a first f@rt joke shows up, and I’m gone.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Beware the Zookeeper.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:16 am
^^
And we have no idea what that means.
September 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Hey guys,
Just got around to listening to this Great Trek Debate. I did like the format as the conversation moved quickly and it really spoke to my inner geek..okay, not so much with the inner part, but it did give a somewhat legitimate feeling to a topic that has been ridiculed in the past.
I do think that even with the occasional bad actor and a few less than stellar episodes, the trek universe has stood the test of time. Randy calls it a gateway drug but without that gateway, how would all those kids get their geek started.
If you watch “How Star Trek Changed The World”, as many of you probably have, you can really get an idea of how influencial the show has been on the real world but I think that the real value lies in how influencial it has been on sci-fi fans who have watched with awe at the future human race which could be capable of doing so much.
September 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I was just reading the comments about the Johnson Rod and the skit. I have to say that I thought the commercial was funny and that being a geek includes penis humor if you ask me. The skit wasn’t as funny as the voice activated computer program but I did appreciate the link to real life politics…hmmm, didn’t Star Trek used to do that?
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
The skits are (mostly) painful, but I agree that the dork humor (penis envy) worked just fine.